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 :''Main article [[Judaism and Other Religions]]''
-In Wikinoah, we attempt to present a range of traditional and authentic opinions concerning Noahism and Noahite faith(s) within halakhic Judaism. To highlight the different approaches a selection of Rabbis have been chosen with an aim of highlighting the widest array of opinions, for the purpose of beginning discussion; this is not designed to be either a complete anthology of approaches, or a definitive word on categorizing the authories on this subject. The intention is to give us the language to distinguish and describe approaches, websites, groups, and leaders.
+In Wikinoah, we attempt to present a range of traditional and authentic opinions concerning Noahism and Noahite faith(s) under the umbrella of halakhic Judaism. To highlight the different approaches a selection of Rabbanim have been chosen with an aim of highlighting the widest array of opinions, for the purpose of beginning discussion; this is not designed to be either a complete anthology of approaches, or a definitive word on categorizing the authorities on this subject. The intention is to develop the language to distinguish and describe approaches, websites, groups, and leaders.
 ==Why is this important?==
-The way halakhic Judaism views non-Jewish nations is of fundamental importance when trying to understand how to approach our national customs and faiths.  Are our native traditions obstacles to the advancement of Noachide teachings (Exclusivist), are they neutral awaiting the illumination of Torah (Inclusivist), or they distorted truths awaiting reform (Universalist/Pluralist)? Do the non-Jewish nations have a subsidiary role to play in the process of world-redemption (Hierarchical) or do we have our own equally important role (Collective)?  Is it best to approach Noachide teachings through the lens of rationalism (Historical-Mission) or spiritually (Metaphysical)?  Is Noahism one faith or many faiths?  Is it built from the ground up, adding fulfilling traditions to the [[Seven Laws]]? Or perhaps from the top down, judging and filtering existing faiths & traditions through the lens of the [[Seven Laws]]?  Within halakhic Judaism various Rabbinic authorities have approached this problem from several angles.
+The way halakhic Judaism views non-Jewish nations is of fundamental importance when trying to understand how to approach our national customs and faiths.  Are our native traditions obstacles to the advancement of Noahite teachings (Exclusivist), are they neutral awaiting the illumination of Torah (Inclusivist), or they distorted truths awaiting reform (Universalist/Pluralist)? Do the non-Jewish nations have a subsidiary role to play in the process of world-redemption (Hierarchical) or do we have our own equally important role (Collective)?  Is it best to approach Noahite teachings through the lens of rationalism (Historical-Mission) or spiritually (Metaphysical)?  Is Noahism one faith or many faiths?  Is it built from the ground up, adding fulfilling traditions to the [[Seven Laws]]? Or perhaps from the top down, judging and filtering existing faiths & traditions through the lens of the [[Seven Laws]]?  Within halakhic Judaism various Rabbinic authorities have approached this problem from several angles.
 ==How the approaches are categorized==
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 :''Main article [[:Category:Petter Chamor Approach]]''
-This approach is only for Messianist non-Jews being the only Bnai Noach traditionally known to Ashkenazim. The approach follows both Talmuds and the Teliya in accordance with the teachings of [[Rashi]] and the [[Tosafists]] (especially [[Rabbeinu Tam]]), the Ashkenazi Hassidim (especially Rav [[Judah ben Samuel of Regensburg|Yehuda HeHasid]]), various [[Kabbalists]] (such as [[Nachman of Breslov]]), the authors of various Machzorim (such as the [[Mahzor Vitri]] and the Metsudah Machzorim for Rosh HaShanah and Yom Kippur), [[Yakov Yisrael Emden|Jacob Emden]], the Ramdu, the Ramchal [[Baruch Fränkel-Teomim]], [[Soloveitchik|Rav Elijah Tsvi Soloveitchik]], [[Judah David Eisenstein]] and Rabbi [[Harvey Falk]]. It uses some terms defined by Rambam.
+This approach is only for Messianist non-Jews being the only Bnai Noah traditionally known to Ashkenazim. The approach follows both Talmuds and the Teliya in accordance with the teachings of [[Rashi]] and the [[Tosafists]] (especially [[Rabbeinu Tam]]), the Ashkenazi Hassidim (especially Rav [[Judah ben Samuel of Regensburg|Yehuda HeHasid]]), various [[Kabbalists]] (such as [[Nachman of Breslov]]), the authors of various Machzorim (such as the [[Mahzor Vitri]] and the Metsudah Machzorim for Rosh HaShanah and Yom Kippur), [[Yakov Yisrael Emden|Jacob Emden]], the Ramdu, the Ramchal [[Baruch Fränkel-Teomim]], [[Soloveitchik|Rav Elijah Tsvi Soloveitchik]], [[Judah David Eisenstein]] and Rabbi [[Harvey Falk]]. It uses some terms defined by Rambam.
 It is jurisdictional hierarchical and [[Judaism_and_Other_Religions#Exclusive Position|Exclusivist]] but based on compassion and attempting to define one halakhic faith for the Hassidei Umot HaOlam in terms of traditions customs and practice. It assumes that the plethora of sects of Christianity and Islamism are corruptions of this system while all other traditional religions around the world are distortions of the [[Derekh Eretz]] practiced by the patriarchs before the rules for Gerim were revealed at Mount Sinai in the Mishnah and Torah which were codified in the Evangelion by [[Rav Shimeon HaKalpus]] in the late 80sCE.
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 ====Rabbi Benamozegh====
 [[Image:Benamozegh.png|right]]
-:''Main article [[:Category:Benamozegh Approach|Rabbi Benamozegh's Approach]]'' Liberal approach based in part on teachings rooted in Jewish mysticism.  Assumes that current religions are distorted Bnei Noach faiths.  This approach is [[Judaism_and_Other_Religions#Universalism/Pluralistic Position|pluralist]] & collective.
+:''Main article [[:Category:Benamozegh Approach|Rabbi Benamozegh's Approach]]'' Liberal approach based in part on teachings rooted in Jewish mysticism.  Assumes that current religions are distorted Bnei Noah faiths.  This approach is [[Judaism_and_Other_Religions#Universalism/Pluralistic Position|pluralist]] & collective.
 ==See also==

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 :''Main article [[Judaism and Other Religions]]''
-In Wikinoah, we attempt to present a range of traditional and authentic opinions concerning Noahidism and Noahide faith(s) within halakhic Judaism. To highlight the different approaches a selection of Rabbis have been chosen with an aim of highlighting the widest array of opinions, for the purpose of beginning discussion; this is not designed to be either a complete anthology of approaches, or a definitive word on categorizing the authories on this subject. The intention is to give us the language to distinguish and describe approaches, websites, groups, and leaders.
+In Wikinoah, we attempt to present a range of traditional and authentic opinions concerning Noahism and Noahite faith(s) within halakhic Judaism. To highlight the different approaches a selection of Rabbis have been chosen with an aim of highlighting the widest array of opinions, for the purpose of beginning discussion; this is not designed to be either a complete anthology of approaches, or a definitive word on categorizing the authories on this subject. The intention is to give us the language to distinguish and describe approaches, websites, groups, and leaders.
 ==Why is this important?==
-The way halakhic Judaism views non-Jewish nations is of fundamental importance when trying to understand how to approach our national customs and faiths.  Are our native traditions obstacles to the advancement of Noachide teachings (Exclusivist), are they neutral awaiting the illumination of Torah (Inclusivist), or they distorted truths awaiting reform (Universalist/Pluralist)? Do the non-Jewish nations have a subsidiary role to play in the process of world-redemption (Hierarchical) or do we have our own equally important role (Collective)?  Is it best to approach Noachide teachings through the lens of rationalism (Historical-Mission) or spiritually (Metaphysical)?  Is Noahidism one faith or many faiths?  Is it built from the ground up, adding fulfilling traditions to the [[Seven Laws]]? Or perhaps from the top down, judging and filtering existing faiths & traditions through the lens of the [[Seven Laws]]?  Within halakhic Judaism various Rabbinic authorities have approached this problem from several angles.
+The way halakhic Judaism views non-Jewish nations is of fundamental importance when trying to understand how to approach our national customs and faiths.  Are our native traditions obstacles to the advancement of Noachide teachings (Exclusivist), are they neutral awaiting the illumination of Torah (Inclusivist), or they distorted truths awaiting reform (Universalist/Pluralist)? Do the non-Jewish nations have a subsidiary role to play in the process of world-redemption (Hierarchical) or do we have our own equally important role (Collective)?  Is it best to approach Noachide teachings through the lens of rationalism (Historical-Mission) or spiritually (Metaphysical)?  Is Noahism one faith or many faiths?  Is it built from the ground up, adding fulfilling traditions to the [[Seven Laws]]? Or perhaps from the top down, judging and filtering existing faiths & traditions through the lens of the [[Seven Laws]]?  Within halakhic Judaism various Rabbinic authorities have approached this problem from several angles.
 ==How the approaches are categorized==
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 ===Metaphysical===
-Non-Jewish nations finds themselves not as part of a historical progression, but in the metaphysical realm. Other religions will be seen not as means of bringing individuals or nations to monotheism but as performing a metaphysical role. In this, it might be a particularly useful basis for discussions with metaphysically-inclined Noahide nations; For example a mutual encounter with the Greek Orthodox Noahides concerning theories of Divine glory, blessings and energies. However, metaphysical models are limited in their utility in an era where few embrace, or even understand, metaphysical language.
+Non-Jewish nations finds themselves not as part of a historical progression, but in the metaphysical realm. Other religions will be seen not as means of bringing individuals or nations to monotheism but as performing a metaphysical role. In this, it might be a particularly useful basis for discussions with metaphysically-inclined Noahite nations; For example a mutual encounter with the Greek Orthodox Noahites concerning theories of Divine glory, blessings and energies. However, metaphysical models are limited in their utility in an era where few embrace, or even understand, metaphysical language.
 ===Hierarchical===
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 :''Main article [[:Category:Joseph Soloveitchik Approach|Joseph Soloveitchik's Approach]]''
-Conservative and isolationist approach.  Held by the majority of halachic Jews today.  Generally a "live and let live" approach. While denying that either Christianity or Islam qualifies as a noahide faith, it does not require them to change their faith.  This approach is irrelevantist and avoids the question as to the nature of the Noahide faith.
+Conservative and isolationist approach.  Held by the majority of halachic Jews today.  Generally a "live and let live" approach. While denying that either Christianity or Islam qualifies as a Noahite faith, it does not require them to change their faith.  This approach is irrelevantist and avoids the question as to the nature of the Noahite faith.
 ====Chabad====
 :''Main article [[:Category:Chabad Approach|Chabad Approach]]''
 [[Image:Chabad.png|right]]
-Conservative approach based in part on teachings rooted in Jewish mysticism but mostly on the [[Rambam]]. Assumes that current religions are false and obstacles to the emergence of a true noahide faith.  Based on the teachings of the [[Arizal]] (who counts 72 nations) and Rambam, exile is a manifestation of the cosmic reality of breakage and evil. The nations are not merely the non-Jews or anti-Israel; they are the same stuff as the evil at the beginning of creation. This leads to the notion that non-Jews have no souls, although this has been modified by the teachings of Rabbi [[Menachem Mendel Schneersohn]].  This approach is [[Judaism_and_Other_Religions#Exclusive Position|exclusivist]] & metaphysical and assumes that there is only one Noahide faith. This category includes the teachings of Rabbi [[Menachem Mendel Schneersohn]] as well as any other exclusivists quoted by Chabad based Noahide groups.
+Conservative approach based in part on teachings rooted in Jewish mysticism but mostly on the [[Rambam]]. Assumes that current religions are false and obstacles to the emergence of a true Noahite faith.  Based on the teachings of the [[Arizal]] (who counts 72 nations) and Rambam, exile is a manifestation of the cosmic reality of breakage and evil. The nations are not merely the non-Jews or anti-Israel; they are the same stuff as the evil at the beginning of creation. This leads to the notion that non-Jews have no souls, although this has been modified by the teachings of Rabbi [[Menachem Mendel Schneersohn]].  This approach is [[Judaism_and_Other_Religions#Exclusive Position|exclusivist]] & metaphysical and assumes that there is only one Noahite faith. This category includes the teachings of Rabbi [[Menachem Mendel Schneersohn]] as well as any other exclusivists quoted by Chabad based Noahite groups.
 ====Rambam====
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 ===Liberal===
-Any people who keep the Sheva Mitzvot are Meshulam (in covenant with HaShem) and Chochmei Umot HaOlam. Judaism does not go to war against them neither does it seek to exercise jurisdiction over them. This category includes the teachings of Rabbi [[Elijah Benamozegh]] and Rabbi [[Nachman of Breslov]] on Noahides and assumes that there are many Noahide faiths.
+Any people who keep the Sheva Mitzvot are Meshulam (in covenant with HaShem) and Chochmei Umot HaOlam. Judaism does not go to war against them neither does it seek to exercise jurisdiction over them. This category includes the teachings of Rabbi [[Elijah Benamozegh]] and Rabbi [[Nachman of Breslov]] on Noahites and assumes that there are many Noahite faiths.
 ====Rabbi Benamozegh====

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 [[Category:Rambam Approach]]
 [[Category:Joseph Soloveitchik Approach]]
-[[Category:Ashkenazi Approach]]
+[[Category:Petter Chamor Approach]]
 ==References==
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 [[Image:Rashiwoodcut.jpg|right]]
 :''Main article [[:Category:Petter Chamor Approach]]''
-This approach is only for Messianist non-Jews being the only Bnai Noach traditionally known to Ashkenazim. The approach follows both Talmuds and the Teliya in accordance with the teachings of [[Rashi]], the [[Tosafists]] (such as [[Rabbeinu Tam]]), the Ashkenazi Hassidim (such as Rabbi [[Judah ben Samuel of Regensburg|Yehuda HeHasid]]), various [[Kabbalists]] (such as [[Nachman of Breslov]]), the authors of various Machzorim (such as the [[Mahzor Vitri]] and the Metsudah Machzorim for Rosh HaShanah and Yom Kippur), [[Yakov Yisrael Emden|Jacob Emden]], [[Baruch Fränkel-Teomim]], [[Soloveitchik|Rav Elijah Tsvi Soloveitchik]], [[Judah David Eisenstein]] and Rabbi [[Harvey Falk]]. It uses some terms defined by Rambam.
+This approach is only for Messianist non-Jews being the only Bnai Noach traditionally known to Ashkenazim. The approach follows both Talmuds and the Teliya in accordance with the teachings of [[Rashi]] and the [[Tosafists]] (especially [[Rabbeinu Tam]]), the Ashkenazi Hassidim (especially Rav [[Judah ben Samuel of Regensburg|Yehuda HeHasid]]), various [[Kabbalists]] (such as [[Nachman of Breslov]]), the authors of various Machzorim (such as the [[Mahzor Vitri]] and the Metsudah Machzorim for Rosh HaShanah and Yom Kippur), [[Yakov Yisrael Emden|Jacob Emden]], the Ramdu, the Ramchal [[Baruch Fränkel-Teomim]], [[Soloveitchik|Rav Elijah Tsvi Soloveitchik]], [[Judah David Eisenstein]] and Rabbi [[Harvey Falk]]. It uses some terms defined by Rambam.
 It is jurisdictional hierarchical and [[Judaism_and_Other_Religions#Exclusive Position|Exclusivist]] but based on compassion and attempting to define one halakhic faith for the Hassidei Umot HaOlam in terms of traditions customs and practice. It assumes that the plethora of sects of Christianity and Islamism are corruptions of this system while all other traditional religions around the world are distortions of the [[Derekh Eretz]] practiced by the patriarchs before the rules for Gerim were revealed at Mount Sinai in the Mishnah and Torah which were codified in the Evangelion by [[Rav Shimeon HaKalpus]] in the late 80sCE.

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 ====The Traditional Ashkenazi Approach====
 [[Image:Rashiwoodcut.jpg|right]]
-:''Main article [[:Category:Ashkenazi Approach]]''
+:''Main article [[:Category:Petter Chamor Approach]]''
 This approach is only for Messianist non-Jews being the only Bnai Noach traditionally known to Ashkenazim. The approach follows both Talmuds and the Teliya in accordance with the teachings of [[Rashi]], the [[Tosafists]] (such as [[Rabbeinu Tam]]), the Ashkenazi Hassidim (such as Rabbi [[Judah ben Samuel of Regensburg|Yehuda HeHasid]]), various [[Kabbalists]] (such as [[Nachman of Breslov]]), the authors of various Machzorim (such as the [[Mahzor Vitri]] and the Metsudah Machzorim for Rosh HaShanah and Yom Kippur), [[Yakov Yisrael Emden|Jacob Emden]], [[Baruch Fränkel-Teomim]], [[Soloveitchik|Rav Elijah Tsvi Soloveitchik]], [[Judah David Eisenstein]] and Rabbi [[Harvey Falk]]. It uses some terms defined by Rambam.
 It is jurisdictional hierarchical and [[Judaism_and_Other_Religions#Exclusive Position|Exclusivist]] but based on compassion and attempting to define one halakhic faith for the Hassidei Umot HaOlam in terms of traditions customs and practice. It assumes that the plethora of sects of Christianity and Islamism are corruptions of this system while all other traditional religions around the world are distortions of the [[Derekh Eretz]] practiced by the patriarchs before the rules for Gerim were revealed at Mount Sinai in the Mishnah and Torah which were codified in the Evangelion by [[Rav Shimeon HaKalpus]] in the late 80sCE.