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+==Salvation for Gentiles according to the Qaraylar==
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-According to [[Petrine]] [[Noahism|Sabis]], Free-masonry is just as much a modern invention as satanism, and only laid claim to certain strands of [[Theosebeia]], see [http://sebomenoi.org/index.php/Freemasonry Freemasonry]
+According to Qaraylar, Free-masonry is just as much a modern invention as satanism, and only laid claim to certain strands of [[Theosebeia]], see [http://sebomenoi.org/index.php/Freemasonry Freemasonry]
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 ==External links==
 * [http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/anti-masonry08.html Anti-masonry Frequently Asked Questions: Are freemasons really Noahides? No]
 * [http://www.public-action.com/x/nh-freemasontracbrd/ The Noachide Faith in Masonic Sources: The Old Charges - A Return to our Roots]
 * [http://www.gldf.org/rubrique.php3?id_rubrique=31 Getting to know the Grand Lodge of France]
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-According to [[Petrine Sabianism]], Free-masonry is just as much a modern invention as satanism, and only laid claim to certain strands of [[Theosebeia]], see [http://sebomenoi.org/index.php/Freemasonry Freemasonry]
+According to [[Petrine]] [[Noahism|Sabis]], Free-masonry is just as much a modern invention as satanism, and only laid claim to certain strands of [[Theosebeia]], see [http://sebomenoi.org/index.php/Freemasonry Freemasonry]
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-One of the most detailed discussions of Freemasonry and its relationship with Noahidism comes from the Canadian Freemasonry website, where they argue that Freemasonry is not sufficiently defined theologically or mandate any particular belief system beyond the most general terms to qualify as a religion.<ref>http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/anti-masonry08.html Anti-masonry Frequently Asked Questions</ref>
+One of the most detailed discussions of Freemasonry and its relationship with Noahidism comes from the Canadian Freemasonry website, where they argue that Freemasonry is not sufficiently defined theologically, and does not mandate any particular belief system beyond the most general terms, to qualify as a religion.<ref>http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/anti-masonry08.html Anti-masonry Frequently Asked Questions</ref>
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 * Freemasonry is not a religion and promotes no doctrine or dogma. The "search for light" found in Freemasonry is a reference to a quest for knowledge, not salvation. Freemasonry promotes a hope in resurrection, but it does not teach a belief about resurrection. The first is faith, the second is religion.
 Although the Master Mason, or Third Degree ritual includes references to the immortality of the soul, Freemasonry makes no impositions on the individual candidate’s personal beliefs, nor requires its members to accept any specific teachings regarding resurrection.
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 ==Are freemasons really Noahides?==
-Assuming the description of Freemasonry as it is presented here and on the [[Freemasonry]] wikinoah page is complete and correct, someone who practices Freemasonry as it is currently taught is not a true Bnai Noach according to ''halacha''.  See the last section for further discussion on the Rabbinic views of Freemasonry.
+The section concerning Noahidism is quoted below in full:<ref>http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/anti-masonry08.html Anti-masonry Frequently Asked Questions</ref>
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 ==Are freemasons really Noahides?==
-The following is a discussion on the website of the Canadian Freemasonry website:<ref>http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/anti-masonry08.html Anti-masonry Frequently Asked Questions</ref>
+The following is a discussion on the Canadian Freemasonry website:<ref>http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/anti-masonry08.html Anti-masonry Frequently Asked Questions</ref>
-;Are freemasons really Noahides?
+:;Are freemasons really Noahides?
-No.
+:No.
-Noahides, or those who refer to themselves as such, follow the Noahide laws, generally within the Judaic tradition. These laws comprise prohibitions of idolatry, blasphemy, forbidden sexual relations, murder, theft, consuming the limb of a living animal (an expression of cruelty to animals) and lawlessness (that is to say, requiring the setting up of courts and processes of justice).<ref>[http://www.rb.org.il/noahide/noahcom15.htm
+:Noahides, or those who refer to themselves as such, follow the Noahide laws, generally within the Judaic tradition. These laws comprise prohibitions of idolatry, blasphemy, forbidden sexual relations, murder, theft, consuming the limb of a living animal (an expression of cruelty to animals) and lawlessness (that is to say, requiring the setting up of courts and processes of justice).<ref>[http://www.rb.org.il/noahide/noahcom15.htm
   The Noah Institute of the Root & Branch Association] promotes the study and practice of the Noahide Covenant and Laws.</ref>
-There are rival philosophies concerning the Noahide laws. The classical orthodox Jewish tradition, as found in Maimonides, the Maharal of Prague and the writings of Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, views the source of the authority of the Noahide laws as being the giving of the Torah at Sinai to Moses and therefore of concern only to the Jews.
+:There are rival philosophies concerning the Noahide laws. The classical orthodox Jewish tradition, as found in Maimonides, the Maharal of Prague and the writings of Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, views the source of the authority of the Noahide laws as being the giving of the Torah at Sinai to Moses and therefore of concern only to the Jews. Elijah Benamozegh (1823-1900), author of Israel and Humanity, and Aime Palliere, author of The Unknown Sanctuary, promoted the idea of an "independent" tradition which goes back to Adam and Noah, and thereby to be transmitted to the Gentiles. The growth of late twentieth century Noahide movements has been a source of concern to some Christians who view the ramifications of this philosophy as an anti-Christian attack.
-These are religious discussions and therefore not of concern to Freemasonry. Freemasonry is not a religion.
+:These are religious discussions and therefore not of concern to Freemasonry. Freemasonry is not a religion.
-Masonic author, Albert G. Mackey, defined Noachidae as the descendents of Noah; and Noachite as a reference to the legend "that Noah was the father and founder of the masonic system of theology."<ref>Encyclopedia of Freemasonry. Albert G. Mackey. p. 714.</ref> Mackey neglected to define or detail that theology. Regular Freemasonry has never had a theology and Mackey was simply expressing his own opinion.
+:Masonic author, Albert G. Mackey, defined Noachidae as the descendents of Noah; and Noachite as a reference to the legend "that Noah was the father and founder of the masonic system of theology."<ref>Encyclopedia of Freemasonry. Albert G. Mackey. p. 714.</ref> Mackey neglected to define or detail that theology. Regular Freemasonry has never had a theology and Mackey was simply expressing his own opinion.
-Mackey also wrote that the seven Precepts of Noah are preserved "as the Constitutions of our ancient Brethren"<ref>Ibid. p. 716.</ref> but neither the oldest extant manuscript, the Regius Poem, nor the Cooke manuscript mention any such precepts. He can only have been referring to Anderson’s second edition of his Constitutions, published in 1738.
+:Mackey also wrote that the seven Precepts of Noah are preserved "as the Constitutions of our ancient Brethren"<ref>Ibid. p. 716.</ref> but neither the oldest extant manuscript, the Regius Poem, nor the Cooke manuscript mention any such precepts. He can only have been referring to Anderson’s second edition of his Constitutions, published in 1738.
-Non-masons, especially those hostile to Freemasonry, have been known to confuse references in masonic ritual to "the Moral Law," or "that religion in which all men agree" with the Precepts of Noah. Albert G. Mackey, in his History of Freemasonry, presented an historical background to the legends of Freemasonry but, in context, is clearly not ascribing the beliefs or practices of Judaism to those of Freemasonry.<ref>The History of Freemasonry, Its Legends and Traditions, Its Chronological History, by Albert Gallatin MacKey, was first published in seven volumes in 1898 by the Masonic History Company, New York and London. A truncated one-volume edition published by Gramercy Books, New York in 1996 [ISBN: 0-517-14982-6], is the edition generally quoted by anti-masons.
+:Non-masons, especially those hostile to Freemasonry, have been known to confuse references in masonic ritual to "the Moral Law," or "that religion in which all men agree" with the Precepts of Noah. Albert G. Mackey, in his History of Freemasonry, presented an historical background to the legends of Freemasonry but, in context, is clearly not ascribing the beliefs or practices of Judaism to those of Freemasonry.<ref>The History of Freemasonry, Its Legends and Traditions, Its Chronological History, by Albert Gallatin MacKey, was first published in seven volumes in 1898 by the Masonic History Company, New York and London. A truncated one-volume edition published by Gramercy Books, New York in 1996 [ISBN: 0-517-14982-6], is the edition generally quoted by anti-masons.
 . The History of Freemasonry, Its Legends and Traditions, Its Chronological History. Albert Gallatin MacKey. Masonic History Company, New York and London: 1906. p. 408. [pp. 406-411.]</ref>
-A legend of two pillars that survive the Deluge, containing the knowledge of the seven liberal arts and sciences, is contained in the "traditional history" of Freemasonry. The legend that Noah received seven commandments when God made His Covenant after the Flood is not a part of any extant pre-1717 manuscript. The sentiment that "all masons are true Noachidae" was part of "Brother Euclid’s Letter to the Author" included, with no historical authority, with the Rev. John Anderson’s 1738 Constitutions. The 1723 Constitutions contained the passage: "A Mason is obliged by his tenure to obey the moral law." In the 1736 edition Anderson completed the sentence with "as a true Noachida. 5 These references were dropped in the 1756 and subsequent editions, and have never played a role in the ritual or teachings of regular Freemasonry. Dermott’s unauthorized Ahiman Rezon copied
+:A legend of two pillars that survive the Deluge, containing the knowledge of the seven liberal arts and sciences, is contained in the "traditional history" of Freemasonry. The legend that Noah received seven commandments when God made His Covenant after the Flood is not a part of any extant pre-1717 manuscript. The sentiment that "all masons are true Noachidae" was part of "Brother Euclid’s Letter to the Author" included, with no historical authority, with the Rev. John Anderson’s 1738 Constitutions. The 1723 Constitutions contained the passage: "A Mason is obliged by his tenure to obey the moral law." In the 1736 edition Anderson completed the sentence with "as a true Noachida. 5 These references were dropped in the 1756 and subsequent editions, and have never played a role in the ritual or teachings of regular Freemasonry. Dermott’s unauthorized Ahiman Rezon copied
-Anderson’s 1736 edition and also used the term "Noachida."
+:Anderson’s 1736 edition and also used the term "Noachida."
-Anderson may have taken this idea from the Stonehouse MS., also titled the Krause MS., reproduced in Dr. Krause’s Three Oldest Documents. Probably written by a contemporary of Anderson and now accepted as spurious, it was first alleged to be a copy of the 926 York Constitutions.
+:Anderson may have taken this idea from the Stonehouse MS., also titled the Krause MS., reproduced in Dr. Krause’s Three Oldest Documents. Probably written by a contemporary of Anderson and now accepted as spurious, it was first alleged to be a copy of the 926 York Constitutions.
-Freemasons were called Noachidae by some authors, generally in reference to the Scottish Rite degrees, in a poetical allusion to the preservation and transmission of great truths. But these truths are not defined as the Precepts of Noah.
+:Freemasons were called Noachidae by some authors, generally in reference to the Scottish Rite degrees, in a poetical allusion to the preservation and transmission of great truths. But these truths are not defined as the Precepts of Noah.
-There is no connection between Noahides and Noachidae. One is a philosophy within Judaism, while the other is a poetical reference to Freemasonry and an eighteenth century attempt to create an older lineage.
+:There is no connection between Noahides and Noachidae. One is a philosophy within Judaism, while the other is a poetical reference to Freemasonry and an eighteenth century attempt to create an older lineage.
-The question only has meaning if one assumes that Freemasonry is a religion. Freemasonry is not a religion and has no doctrine.
+:The question only has meaning if one assumes that Freemasonry is a religion. Freemasonry is not a religion and has no doctrine.
 ==Petrine Sabianism==