Shittuf - Revision history

פטר חמור at 12:05, 16 September 2022

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פטר חמור at 11:31, 16 September 2022

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פטר חמור at 09:31, 4 July 2022

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פטר חמור: /* Petrine perspective */

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‎Petrine perspective

פטר חמור at 18:05, 4 February 2008

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פטר חמור at 18:05, 4 February 2008

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פטר חמור at 01:53, 8 January 2008

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פטר חמור: /* Petrine perspective */

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‎Petrine perspective

פטר חמור at 01:51, 8 January 2008

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פטר חמור at 04:50, 1 January 2008

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 ===[[:Category:Petter Chamor Approach|Petter Chamor Approach]]===
-In Arabic, setting up any partner alongside God is called '''Shirk''' and Mushrikun (those who set up partners) are generally frowned upon in [[Petrine tradition]] even if they are Noahide. At the same time, it is taken for granted that the belief of a child who has been brought up to worship God is automatically in the name of their parents. Hence there is such a thing as the age of account where by the age of 40 it is hoped that an individual will have experienced God through their own reasoning not just in the name of someone else.
+In Arabic, setting up any partner alongside God is called '''Shirk''' and Mushrikun (those who set up partners) are generally frowned upon in [[Petterine tradition]] even if they are Noahide. At the same time, it is taken for granted that the belief of a child who has been brought up to worship God is automatically in the name of their parents. Hence there is such a thing as the age of account where by the age of 40 it is hoped that an individual will have experienced God through their own reasoning not just in the name of someone else.
 ==References==

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 Though apparently considered by Jewish authorities in Late Antiquity to be acceptable among non Jews like the Theosebes and Sabis, by the time of Maimonides its Sabi practitioners were apparently regarded as pagan, plain and simple. This might be because early practitioners praying in the name of one being called Sabians of the Hanifa by Arabic commentators while the later practitioners prayed in the name of many and were known as the Sabiah Mushrikun by the same commentators.
-===[[Peter|Petrine]] [[Approaches|perspective]]===
+===[[:Category:Petter Chamor Approach|Petter Chamor Approach]]===
 In Arabic, setting up any partner alongside God is called '''Shirk''' and Mushrikun (those who set up partners) are generally frowned upon in [[Petrine tradition]] even if they are Noahide. At the same time, it is taken for granted that the belief of a child who has been brought up to worship God is automatically in the name of their parents. Hence there is such a thing as the age of account where by the age of 40 it is hoped that an individual will have experienced God through their own reasoning not just in the name of someone else.
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-[[Category:Ashkenazi Approach]]
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 ===[[Peter|Petrine]] [[Approaches|perspective]]===
-In Arabic, setting up any partner alongside God is called '''Shirk''' and Mushrikun (those who set up partners) are generally frowned upon in Petrine tradition even if they are Noahide. At the same time, it is taken for granted that the belief of a child who has been brought up to worship God is automatically in the name of their parents. Hence there is such a thing as the age of account where by the age of 40 it is hoped that an individual will have experienced God through their own reasoning not just in the name of someone else. otherwise they will only ever be known as a Sabi.
+In Arabic, setting up any partner alongside God is called '''Shirk''' and Mushrikun (those who set up partners) are generally frowned upon in [[Petrine tradition]] even if they are Noahide. At the same time, it is taken for granted that the belief of a child who has been brought up to worship God is automatically in the name of their parents. Hence there is such a thing as the age of account where by the age of 40 it is hoped that an individual will have experienced God through their own reasoning not just in the name of someone else.
 ==References==

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 :"[[R. Tam]]'s view that ''Shittuf'' (belief in God the Father, along with an additional deity) is permitted to Gentiles was accepted by the Halakhist [[R. Moses Isserles]] (''Rema. Orah Hayyim'' 156:1) and later authorities as well. -It is difficult to ascertain Maimonides' view on this subject as a passage relating to it has heen altered in various editions (''Yad, Ma'akhalot Asurot'' 11:7). The ''Talmudic Encyclopedia'' also omits reference to Maimonides on this issue (see ''Ben Noah'', 1981 edition, 3:350)."<ref>page 34 of the Wipf and Stock Publisher's edition of New York Orthodox Rabbi [[Harvey Falk]]'s book "Jesus the Pharisee: A new look at the Jewishness of Jesus" (copyright 1985 Paulist Press)</ref>
-Though apparently considered by Jewish authorities in Late Antiquity to be acceptable among non Jews like the Theosebes and Sabis, by the time of Maimonides its Sabi practitioners were apparently regarded as pagan, plain and simple. This might be because early practitioners praying in the name of one being called Sabiah Hunafa by Arabic commentators while the later practitioners prayed in the name of many and were known as the Sabiah Mushrikun by the same commentators.
+Though apparently considered by Jewish authorities in Late Antiquity to be acceptable among non Jews like the Theosebes and Sabis, by the time of Maimonides its Sabi practitioners were apparently regarded as pagan, plain and simple. This might be because early practitioners praying in the name of one being called Sabians of the Hanifa by Arabic commentators while the later practitioners prayed in the name of many and were known as the Sabiah Mushrikun by the same commentators.
 ===[[Peter|Petrine]] [[Approaches|perspective]]===

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−	'''Shittuf''', is the basis of Theosebeia and Sabiah the religions of the Theosebes and Sabis. It is usually understood to mean belief in God in the name of a mediator. However, Harvey Falk identifies it as belief in God along with an additional deity.	+	'''Shittuf''', is the basis of Theosebeia and Sabiah the religions of the multi-denominational late antique noahite Theosebes and Sabis. It is usually understood to mean belief in God in the name of a mediator. However, Harvey Falk identifies it as belief in God along with an additional deity.

	:"[[R. Tam]]'s view that ''Shittuf'' (belief in God the Father, along with an additional deity) is permitted to Gentiles was accepted by the Halakhist [[R. Moses Isserles]] (''Rema. Orah Hayyim'' 156:1) and later authorities as well. -It is difficult to ascertain Maimonides' view on this subject as a passage relating to it has heen altered in various editions (''Yad, Ma'akhalot Asurot'' 11:7). The ''Talmudic Encyclopedia'' also omits reference to Maimonides on this issue (see ''Ben Noah'', 1981 edition, 3:350)."<ref>page 34 of the Wipf and Stock Publisher's edition of New York Orthodox Rabbi [[Harvey Falk]]'s book "Jesus the Pharisee: A new look at the Jewishness of Jesus" (copyright 1985 Paulist Press)</ref>		:"[[R. Tam]]'s view that ''Shittuf'' (belief in God the Father, along with an additional deity) is permitted to Gentiles was accepted by the Halakhist [[R. Moses Isserles]] (''Rema. Orah Hayyim'' 156:1) and later authorities as well. -It is difficult to ascertain Maimonides' view on this subject as a passage relating to it has heen altered in various editions (''Yad, Ma'akhalot Asurot'' 11:7). The ''Talmudic Encyclopedia'' also omits reference to Maimonides on this issue (see ''Ben Noah'', 1981 edition, 3:350)."<ref>page 34 of the Wipf and Stock Publisher's edition of New York Orthodox Rabbi [[Harvey Falk]]'s book "Jesus the Pharisee: A new look at the Jewishness of Jesus" (copyright 1985 Paulist Press)</ref>

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-'''Shittuf''', the religion of the theosebes, is usually understood to mean belief in God in the name of a mediator. However, Harvey Falk identifies it as belief in God along with an additional deity.
+'''Shittuf''', is the basis of Theosebeia and Sabiah the religions of the Theosebes and Sabis. It is usually understood to mean belief in God in the name of a mediator. However, Harvey Falk identifies it as belief in God along with an additional deity.
 :"[[R. Tam]]'s view that ''Shittuf'' (belief in God the Father, along with an additional deity) is permitted to Gentiles was accepted by the Halakhist [[R. Moses Isserles]] (''Rema. Orah Hayyim'' 156:1) and later authorities as well. -It is difficult to ascertain Maimonides' view on this subject as a passage relating to it has heen altered in various editions (''Yad, Ma'akhalot Asurot'' 11:7). The ''Talmudic Encyclopedia'' also omits reference to Maimonides on this issue (see ''Ben Noah'', 1981 edition, 3:350)."<ref>page 34 of the Wipf and Stock Publisher's edition of New York Orthodox Rabbi [[Harvey Falk]]'s book "Jesus the Pharisee: A new look at the Jewishness of Jesus" (copyright 1985 Paulist Press)</ref>
-Though apparently considered by Jewish authorities to be acceptable among non Jews in Late Antiquity, by the time of Maimonides its sabi practitioners were apparently regarded as pagan, plain and simple.
+Though apparently considered by Jewish authorities in Late Antiquity to be acceptable among non Jews like the Theosebes and Sabis, by the time of Maimonides its Sabi practitioners were apparently regarded as pagan, plain and simple. This might be because early practitioners praying in the name of one being called Sabiah Hunafa by Arabic commentators while the later practitioners prayed in the name of many and were known as the Sabiah Mushrikun by the same commentators.
 ===[[Peter|Petrine]] [[Approaches|perspective]]===

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−	'''Shittuf''', the religion of the theosebes, is usually understood to mean belief in God in the name of ~~someone else~~. However, Harvey Falk identifies it as belief in God along with an additional deity.	+	'''Shittuf''', the religion of the theosebes, is usually understood to mean belief in God in the name of a mediator. However, Harvey Falk identifies it as belief in God along with an additional deity.

	:"[[R. Tam]]'s view that ''Shittuf'' (belief in God the Father, along with an additional deity) is permitted to Gentiles was accepted by the Halakhist [[R. Moses Isserles]] (''Rema. Orah Hayyim'' 156:1) and later authorities as well. -It is difficult to ascertain Maimonides' view on this subject as a passage relating to it has heen altered in various editions (''Yad, Ma'akhalot Asurot'' 11:7). The ''Talmudic Encyclopedia'' also omits reference to Maimonides on this issue (see ''Ben Noah'', 1981 edition, 3:350)."<ref>page 34 of the Wipf and Stock Publisher's edition of New York Orthodox Rabbi [[Harvey Falk]]'s book "Jesus the Pharisee: A new look at the Jewishness of Jesus" (copyright 1985 Paulist Press)</ref>		:"[[R. Tam]]'s view that ''Shittuf'' (belief in God the Father, along with an additional deity) is permitted to Gentiles was accepted by the Halakhist [[R. Moses Isserles]] (''Rema. Orah Hayyim'' 156:1) and later authorities as well. -It is difficult to ascertain Maimonides' view on this subject as a passage relating to it has heen altered in various editions (''Yad, Ma'akhalot Asurot'' 11:7). The ''Talmudic Encyclopedia'' also omits reference to Maimonides on this issue (see ''Ben Noah'', 1981 edition, 3:350)."<ref>page 34 of the Wipf and Stock Publisher's edition of New York Orthodox Rabbi [[Harvey Falk]]'s book "Jesus the Pharisee: A new look at the Jewishness of Jesus" (copyright 1985 Paulist Press)</ref>